Monday, September 10, 2012

gender and society- bobby bleistein


Bobby Bleistein

Humans are constantly being categorized into groups, women and men although very broad is one form of this grouping. Due to a difference in genitalia and hormones women and men are viewed as seemingly different species. Although this has been occurring for hundreds of years, the development of “normal culture” and media has developed these groupings into more then just a difference in genitals. This can also be seen through sports, public places, and social media; gender and society. In Judith Lorber’s article called gender and society, she shows many ways in which men and women are different through society.
            Lorber starts the article with stating the obvious differences between men and women that were recognized in the 18th century, genital differences. Then begins to discuss how society treats each gender differently.  “I am arguing that bodies differ in many ways physiologically, but they are completely transformed by social practices to fit into the salient categories of a society, the most pervasive of which are "female" and "male" and "women" and "men."” One aspect of this article I found intriguing was men’s vs. women’s sports. I have always known the difference but this article allowed me to think about them in a different perspective. In sports men and women are treated completely different in what each gender should and shouldn’t be able to do.  Men are told to be men and take precedent in sports due to the fact that we are men but why shouldn’t this be the same for women? She states the example for this with basketball; men use a larger basketball and have a different set of rules then women. This is done in order to speed the pace of the game and keep it interesting. Women’s basketball is almost a completely different sport then the men’s game because of the difference in pace due to the rules and regulations. Even after title IX women still tend to be degraded from sports, ex: wresting. Media does not help this because whenever you see a commercial for a woman athlete, most times it tends to be for a beauty product or a clothing line and not the hard work they put in to become a great athlete. Lorber states “Sports, therefore, construct men’s bodies to be powerful; women’s bodies to be sexual” (Lorber pg573). Women have been gaining more publicity now for their great accomplishments; an example of this is through the Olympics and the great feats of the USA women. This article gave me the chance to think about the how drastic the differences in men and woman sports actually are. Through this I was able to take into account my experiences in sports and thinking about how the game would be completely altered if I were playing the “female version of the sport”. Lorber’s feminist view allows her readers to take into account their own experiences and view them in a different way.


Preschoolers catch on quickly. In martins article gendered bodies an experiment was taken in 5 preschool classrooms to try to find out where and when kids learn about gender. Men and women tend to be different in ways including motor functions thinking and size/shape. In particular, motor functions such as walking, running, jumping, ect… are just some of the major differences that kids learn when they are young. In preschool there are always sets of rules that are common in most classrooms for recess “1. No wrestling. 2. No violent play, killing games, kicking, karate, etc. 3. Bikes belong on the outside of the gym. 4. No crashing bikes. 5. Houses are for playing in not climbing on. 6. Older children are off bikes when toddlers arrive. 7. Balls should be used for catching, rolling, tossing-not slamming at people. 8. Adults and children will talk with each other about problems and not shout across the room. 9. Use equipment appropriately.” (martin pg496) This is one place in which boys and girls learn “their place in society” these rules is more so exercised and used for the boys rather then the girls. Another aspect in this experiment was the actual field-testing when the researchers would go into the room with the students about 3 times a week to analyze. Through this form of gender difference was found, grouping of students during activities such as the block area and dress up area.  This experiment found many things that point to a universal rule set for younger kids based upon their gender. Martin states that these preschoolers that were analyzed for the span of 8 months showed at least awareness for their gender that was clearly visible through the 5 aspects researched. “I identify five sets of practices that create these differences: dressing up, permitting relaxed behaviors or requiring formal behaviors, controlling voices, verbal and physical instructions regarding children's bodies by teachers, and physical interactions among children. This hidden curriculum that (partially) creates bodily differences between the genders also makes these physical differences appear and feel natural.”(martin pg494) This quote shows that through the research that was conducted boys and girls even at ages 3-5 have a sense for their gender and what the social norms entail. But martin shows that these gender traits are not normal. Martin found that boys in many cases dressed up like girls while in dress up time and that there were partially segregated groups that contained both boys and girls. This shows that although young kids can learn quickly what society believes boys and girls should do and be, it is not until the presence of an influence such as school does this mental change occur. This article was not surprising to me to see that there is a presence of gender differences in preschoolers. Do to todays society, the influence of media and a social norm, kids will continue to learn about gender at younger ages. And school is a prime place for this to occur. Due to the coed classes and the influences of a teacher/teachers as shown through martin’s research I feel preschoolers will continue to learn these gender differences.

Both articles are similar in how they view gender. Not as much anatomical but social. Both articles also allowed me to view these gender differnces in a different light and try to visualize what changes could occur to reduce the social gap between genders. In history and in todays world men and women are socially different and as found these differences are formed at a young age and carried though out ones entire life.

5 comments:

  1. Like Bob, the ‘Sports’ section of Lorber’s “Believing is Seeing: Biology as Ideology” really caught my attention. As a three-season athlete in high school I often thought of myself as athletic, fast, and coordinated, however, my male friends were always ready to remind me that I wasn’t quite up to par with their physicality. They were faster, stronger, and overall more powerful. Most of them would challenge me to pull up competitions and races on the athletic fields at lunch. Due to my size and my female body there was no way I stood a chance. As Lorber states: “Western sports are built on physically trained men’s bodies” and for that reason I couldn’t keep up or even compare.
    What I hadn’t thought about until reading this article is that women’s physicality isn’t inferior to men’s it’s just different. Women tend to be “smaller, more flexible, and have better balance.” If our society emphasized these qualities women would be, in general, superior and I would be able to beat my male friends in competitions of physical competence. As Lorber says, “A disciplined body creates a context for social relation.” Again, this is a standard that is learned and enforced, and therefore proves women inferior. –Gracie Hall

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  2. Lily Cannon

    Reading through Bob’s response I picked up on a couple ideas starting with his thoughts and summarization of women and men’s involvement with sports. As he stated men and women may participate in the “same” sport but have completely different rules. Adding media into the mix, when women athletes are shown on television it is not based on their accomplishments on the field, court etc. but their appearance, which frustrates me which might be partly due to the fact that while I was in high school there was more support for the guys soccer team than the woman’s. Even though we train for the same amount of time we work just as hard. As a student athlete, having a bigger crowd makes me perform better. Connecting to Martins later ideas in her article concerning preschoolers and where and when they pick up on their ideas of gender roles, it’s not just in the classroom that they begin to learn this, but also back to the media. Most children are glued to the television and soon the Internet that portrays gender roles that can be thought of as a good or bad thing. People trying to alter the way women are looked at want to change this, as do I, and show that women may have different body structures and abilities but should be looked at in the same light and not based on there appearance.

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  3. TJ Brady: After reading through Bob's post, the one thing that stuck in my head was when he said imagine playing the female version of the sport. I grew up playing football, basketball, and lacrosse. First off to imagine myself playing women's football is impossible because they're aren't women's high school football teams, college football teams, or professional football teams. And this isn't true because women don't like to play contact sports because they're are women's rugby teams which are more violent than football. With basketball the rules are slightly different in the professional ranks but the same in high school. Even though the rules are similar the style of play is completely different because in men's professional basketball the game is played above the rim where all players can dunk, compared to women's professional basketball which isn't played as much in the air because only a few women players can dunk. And finally with lacrosse, the men's style I played is much more physical than the women's and requires pads. In women's lacrosse on the other hand, the only equipment they wear are goggles, even though they will still get hit during the game. Another difference with boys and girls lacrosse is the sticks. The men have a large pocket in their stick which allows them to cradle and do other things with the ball that the women can't do because their stick does not have the same pocket. I don't understand why the two games have different sticks and it seems stupid to me. Imaging playing the other genders sports was a crazy thought that I never really thought of before, and it points out multiple inequalities that I hadn't noticed before.

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  4. Sarah Wills: Like Bobby said, Lorber’s article explains how humans are grouped into two categories: male and female. This grouping seems to be based on physiological differences due to different genitalia. However, society groups these categories as “men” and “women”. These two categories completely dictate a person’s role and worth in society. Just like Bobby said, the inequalities of this grouping can be explained through sports. Men are depicted at strong, violent, and fierce. Women athletes are depicted as unfeminine, and they are sexualized by the sport. There is a huge sports industry that solely profits from male athletes. Female sports are not nearly as popular or profitable as male sports. While reading your post it reminded me of the Olympics and watching women’s volleyball. Most of the players wore small bikinis while competing. I am not sure if this enhances their performance, but it seemed like there were other factors behind their uniform.

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  5. As Bobby mentioned in the beginning of his post, the differences between men and women were recognized in the 18th century as genital differences. This begs the question, where do gender roles come in based on anatomical differences? In this post, Bobby mentioned the media being a contributing factor. I completely agree because I believe the media is one of the major causes of gender bias. The media enforces Lorber’s idea that a man’s body is seen to be powerful, and a woman’s sexual. Particularly in sport, as meditated upon in Lorber’s article, the exaltation of male athletes as essentially powerful gods leave one to suggest that women’s sports are second-rate, less intense versions of ‘men’s sports’. As a former lacrosse player, I witnessed this in the gendered rules of the game such as the limitations of checking another’s stick to differences in gear. In addition, this post talks about the rules of pre-school as observed in the classrooms, but also the designation of rules for a specific gender. For example, non-aggression was geared toward boys and politeness geared toward girls. One instance in particular that Martin’s article observed was when one of the pre-school girls gave a loud, enthusiastic reply along with a swing of her arm to her teacher. She was told to be quieter, and after that even more quiet. This situation is analogous to blowing the flame out in a candle. By disciplining impressionable, pre-school girls in this way, the teachers are telling them that it is unacceptable to have their own voice or to behave in an non-passive way. I agree with Bobby in saying that these articles take a look at the social aspect of gender, rather than the anatomical. Since gender is focused on in a social way, the way we define it is of our own creation.
    Anna Grofik

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